The Wizeguy: Grandfather Paradox

I’m not a fan of trailers giving away much of said movie before you actual go to the movieplex to check it. I watched the second Terminator: Genisys trailer yesterday and well, many are saying that it contains a crucial plot twist and are wishing that they could unsee it. I don’t think the idea they propose in this changes everything we know about Terminator lore.

From the very first Terminator Movie, there’s already a predestination paradox in the timeline, let me explain.

T800 was sent to the past, Kyle follows, Kyle impregnated Sarah, John was born, Judgment Day, John leads the human resistance and winning, John sent Kyle back to the past to close the loop / paradox.

Now based on Paramount’s synopsis, Sarah has been orphaned since she was 9, raised by the “Old Arnie” T800. Thus, the Paradox has already been broken, but that doesn’t erase the “previous” timeline in which the “Young Arnie” and T-1000 was sent back to the past. Kinda like Back to the Future 2; Marty & Doc can’t go to the future which already been altered, but they can go back to where Old Biff gave Young Biff the Almanac. They fixed the “original” timeline, but the alterations that they did in BTTF One (George standing up to Biff, punching him on the night of the ball, making him more successful than Biff) remains.

The same here, after the paradox has been broken, it creates a new future in which John becomes the hybrid. Though…that could be someone made in John’s likeness, could be John but he was controlled / lead much like Marcus in ‘Salvation’, we still can’t tell for sure.

I agree there’s definitely much more than meets the eye, that’s why it was revealed in the trailer. Machines don’t have the sense of irony of humans, if they can convert John, that means they already won. Why would they send him back to the past and risk the whole timeline be changed again? And seriously if he was sent back in time to kill his own parents, that would create a grandfather paradox. The machines will just plunge the whole timeline into jeopardy.

To me, the line about being “not human and not machine” would maybe suggest he’s transferred his consciousness into a machine. So he technically is a machine but he has all the same memories, thoughts, feelings and consciousness (the “soul” as it were) of the human being that was John Connor (which means he is obviously still more human than any machine; certainly in the world of Terminator), which probably means he’ll still ultimately be working in the interests of the human beings when all is said and done. It’s basically a form of transcendence, which I imagine he thinks gives him the best of both worlds; the morals, virtues and values of a [presumably still good] human who ultimately values and wants to preserve life basically above all else, which some might say is what makes us human, with the strength, durability and various advanced capabilities of a machine, etc.

They still haven’t revealed who Matt Smith is playing so I think thats gonna be the bigger reveal but maybe not. Still, I’m having a hunch that Matt Smith character is the real John Connor.

-Dagobot



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